Fiat Spider, 8V engine and things
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Fiat Spider, 8V engine and things
Hi Guy and all in the forum, although difficult to find the time I'm always keen to browse through this forum as I'm an admire of Italian machinery and even more so of the twin cam engine.
I've own my SC2 spider for nearly 15 years now and besides the usual messing around to get more power with cams compression and twin 44's it was about time I took it it to the next level. So a year ago I decided to spend every available lunch hour having another go. This time it was going to be fuel injection. And must reduce the weight. I'm privileged to be working in the motorsport engine industry so i twisted all my suppliers arms to get the max discount and most were very happy to do so.
I've kept an excel file with the weight records and even though the engine is not complete yet 6.1 kilos have gone! Amazing. Most of the weight has come off the right areas like piston / rod assemblies (steel rod/forged piston), replacing heavy steel bracketry and plates with aluminium, and with the abundant use of titanium bolts courtesy of a friend who works for an F1 team and titanium bolts are no longer allowed to be used there. I completely removed the Auxiliary shaft and instead modified the housing to run 2 roller bearings. 1 kilo came off that. The valve spring retainer was re-designed to have a smaller disk shim and without machining the cam carrier used a solid tappet. More weight off the valve gear. For those who own 124 Spiders and the known ground clearance issue on the sump pan. Initially i was going to go wet sump big wing but when a pump assembly became available to me at the right price I decided to go dry sump instead.
I'm nearly there now, but still have to sort out the air box, the alternator, the dry sump tank in the car and the ECU. Can't wait now.
I've own my SC2 spider for nearly 15 years now and besides the usual messing around to get more power with cams compression and twin 44's it was about time I took it it to the next level. So a year ago I decided to spend every available lunch hour having another go. This time it was going to be fuel injection. And must reduce the weight. I'm privileged to be working in the motorsport engine industry so i twisted all my suppliers arms to get the max discount and most were very happy to do so.
I've kept an excel file with the weight records and even though the engine is not complete yet 6.1 kilos have gone! Amazing. Most of the weight has come off the right areas like piston / rod assemblies (steel rod/forged piston), replacing heavy steel bracketry and plates with aluminium, and with the abundant use of titanium bolts courtesy of a friend who works for an F1 team and titanium bolts are no longer allowed to be used there. I completely removed the Auxiliary shaft and instead modified the housing to run 2 roller bearings. 1 kilo came off that. The valve spring retainer was re-designed to have a smaller disk shim and without machining the cam carrier used a solid tappet. More weight off the valve gear. For those who own 124 Spiders and the known ground clearance issue on the sump pan. Initially i was going to go wet sump big wing but when a pump assembly became available to me at the right price I decided to go dry sump instead.
I'm nearly there now, but still have to sort out the air box, the alternator, the dry sump tank in the car and the ECU. Can't wait now.
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Carbon fibre? That's sneaky Cos!
They'll all be after you now!
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They'll all be after you now!
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Ha ha! well you have no idea the amount of effort it took to polish a standard cam cover (hands still sore), then make a glass fibre mould!
Pleased with the finish though.....
Pleased with the finish though.....
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Looks great (not only the carbon fibre).
Why didn't you completely remove the aux shaft wheel and housing?
Why didn't you completely remove the aux shaft wheel and housing?
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Cos I thought mine looked good! Excellent. Have you any photos of the stages of fabrication of the cam covers from negative moulds to finishing the mating surfaces?
I guess all the pulleys are aluminium? Did you fabricate them?
Rich
I guess all the pulleys are aluminium? Did you fabricate them?
Rich
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Uros Piperski wrote:Looks great (not only the carbon fibre).
Why didn't you completely remove the aux shaft wheel and housing?
I just though it would be easier to use the standard belt layout and length.
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pulleys (except the cam ones) are machined out of solid and hard anodised. Did not alter the water pump speed though.Rich Ellingham wrote:Cos I thought mine looked good! Excellent. Have you any photos of the stages of fabrication of the cam covers from negative moulds to finishing the mating surfaces?
I guess all the pulleys are aluminium? Did you fabricate them?
Rich
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Cos, email me the original photos would you?
I'll swap them for these, the photos uploaded here don't do justice to the level of prep.
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I'll swap them for these, the photos uploaded here don't do justice to the level of prep.
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will do Guy
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That engine is very nice made, congratulations!
I bet the airbox will be a nice carbon thing as well...
A question on the modification of the valve tappets.
I guess your intension was to reduce mass, is it really that lighter now?
And adjusting the valves is now a camshaft-out job?
Thomas
I bet the airbox will be a nice carbon thing as well...
A question on the modification of the valve tappets.
I guess your intension was to reduce mass, is it really that lighter now?
And adjusting the valves is now a camshaft-out job?
Thomas
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Hi, thanks for your comments. Yes the airbox will be carbon as well. The space available under the spider bonnet is bit restrictive though.
Regarding the tappet weight saving, yes 37g reduction per tappet (including the shim - based on average size) so total valve gear weight saving was 296g.
Regarding the tappet weight saving, yes 37g reduction per tappet (including the shim - based on average size) so total valve gear weight saving was 296g.
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What do you weigh Cos?
Any savings there?!
GC
(Mountune let you do 'homers' then??!!)
Any savings there?!
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(Mountune let you do 'homers' then??!!)
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my wallet has....
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I love those valve covers.. Too bad you didnt do the distributor in the exhaust form,, I would gladly pay premium for them. It brings a new tech look to the old lump,, i love that stuff.
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love to see more pics of this project..
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