Hi Guy,
I'm about to flow a head for a 2ltr Fiat TC.
Compression is 9:1
Bottom End is standard
2 X 40 IDF on a Waffle top
The dilemma is the head.
I have two heads. One out of a 124 CC and the one that came off the block. (a late 132 2ltr I think)
The 124 head has 1.5 mm bigger inlet ports and 42.5 mm valve, But a 15 mm valve guide. The 132 has smaller inlet ports BUT has 14 mm valve guide. The size around the throat of the valve is fairly close.
The question is is it better to use the one with the SMALLER Valve Guides and spend the extra time getting the ports out to the bigger size. Because I can throat the seats to suit the slightly lager valve.
Actually now that I've asked the question I think I have my answer... But I'll wait to see what you think.
Thanks Guy
Fiat 2 liter TC: Choosing which head to use
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Fiat 2 liter TC: Choosing which head to use
Hi Guy,
Thanks for the quick response.
Here are some photos as requested.
On further investigation I thought that the valve guides were of an uneven length on the 1756 head, but it has turned out that the little "Bump" on either side of the guide is almost non-existent on cylinders 1 & 2. So a bit of very fine work will have to be done to even that up, IF this is the head I use. I've added some photos of the inlet ports also.
The exhaust side seems to be fairly equal from head to head.
Thanks for your imput
Gill
Thanks for the quick response.
Here are some photos as requested.
On further investigation I thought that the valve guides were of an uneven length on the 1756 head, but it has turned out that the little "Bump" on either side of the guide is almost non-existent on cylinders 1 & 2. So a bit of very fine work will have to be done to even that up, IF this is the head I use. I've added some photos of the inlet ports also.
The exhaust side seems to be fairly equal from head to head.
Thanks for your imput
Gill
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- 1995 Inlet port, 32.5h 34.5v and coincidently matches the Waffle manifold near on perfect.
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- 1756 Inlet port... Huge. 35mm horizontal measuring 10 mm in from gasket face and about 36.5 vertical.
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- 1995 Inlet Valve Seat. Outside of Insert measuring 42mm. Valves are between 41.87 & 41.95
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- 1756 Inlet Valve Seat. Outside of Insert measuring 42mm. Valves are between 42.32 & 42.52. Larger valves but have quite a sharp edge
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- 1995 Combustion Chamber out of a 1985...ish Fiat 132. 50.8 cc & 14 mm Valve Guides.
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- 1756 Combustion Chamber out of a 1974 Fiat 124 Sport. 50.2 cc & 15 mm Valve Guides & Huge Inlet Port.
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Great! Well done Mack.
In fact both have the late roomy combustion chamber, not at all shrouded, so which to use?
The bigger ports on the 124 head are more suitable, but those bigger guides are a significant intrusion, I would not shave them being cast iron but radiusing the top of them helps a bit.
Maybe I'd use the other - 2 liter head - and open out the ports. That way you get the bes tof everything. The smaller guides and the big ports. That porting is no big job.
But - first check to see which head has more metal to reface around the inlet valve insert, the best m8 and m6 threads, the best coolant gallery condition, best plug threads - some simple practical considerations.
If the 2 liter needs a lot of attention and you're not 'up for it', use the 1800 head, OK? In standard trim the bigger port will probably outweigh the negative effect of the big guide.
I hope this helps,
GC
In fact both have the late roomy combustion chamber, not at all shrouded, so which to use?
The bigger ports on the 124 head are more suitable, but those bigger guides are a significant intrusion, I would not shave them being cast iron but radiusing the top of them helps a bit.
Maybe I'd use the other - 2 liter head - and open out the ports. That way you get the bes tof everything. The smaller guides and the big ports. That porting is no big job.
But - first check to see which head has more metal to reface around the inlet valve insert, the best m8 and m6 threads, the best coolant gallery condition, best plug threads - some simple practical considerations.
If the 2 liter needs a lot of attention and you're not 'up for it', use the 1800 head, OK? In standard trim the bigger port will probably outweigh the negative effect of the big guide.
I hope this helps,
GC
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