Tipo 16v Race Car production Modified

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very intresting, i like it a lot! so is that gear changer alot higher now or have you moved it to the side?
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do you know of any one who has done a 4wd drive conversion on either tipo or coupe?
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hmm seems like you are looking into it your self seen your car avator on the Fiat forum, I was/still am considering sourcing a dedra/155q4 or tempra sw from abroad either on the scrap yard with running gear or for sale let me know how u go on and ill let you know. Looks like the tank has to be moved on my coupe dont know about your tipo, does a Lancia thema have 4wd version?
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Hi, gear shift moved inside and a little, forward, I have now shortend the stick with a new gear knob. Shifting is quite quick and more precise now.

I know people who have done conversions to both tipo and coupe to 4wd. I found a number of tempra SW 4wd in France they are more common and cheaper then the desirable Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 or Lancia Dedra Integrale.

The fuel tank and wheel well are different in those cars, needing some cutting and welding to allow room for the rear differential. Apart from that the donor car gives you everything you need.

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thanks rich thats really helpful, thats a long way off though for me yet
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Race Report LMA Eurosaloons Silverstone August 2008

First race in the LMA this year for me a double header 2 races over 2 days with seperate qualifying. Prior to this I raced a Dunlop motorsport news round again at the Silvertone national, more of a shake-down come baptism of fire for the newly rebuilt car including its new Guy Croft race engine and new electrics, oh and bacci race box. I found from the DMN race that the box was not shifting correct thus it had to be rebuilts by my friend and Fiat-Lancia specialist Neil Smith owner of NJS autos in Pershore Worcestershire. New gear hubs and a shortened gear lever sharpened up the change massively.

I then carried out a trackday at Silverstone GP circuit - this was fantastic practice nad the first time I really gave the car inappropriate, I went out with an instructor which was the best £30 I ever spent on the car.

Come the LMA race I felt more ready then ever. Saturday morning came looking rather cloudy, the weather was just holding and much debate occurred in the padock what tyres to run. Some chose to leave for the assembly area late as possible for qualifying. The rest of us went fingers crossed wearing slicks - if only we had gone out 15 minutes prior, as we waited the heavens opened, off I went its was like the steering had broken no grip, people spinning off all over the place, on lap 2 entering the pit straight I was faced with a badly damaged BMW M3 of Angus Dawe - the session was red flagged and we all got back to the paddock as soon as possible not quite F1 but a very quick tyre change out we went again. A different story on full wets had me qualify ok.

Actuall race: Out we went no doubt as to the tyre choice full wets raining heavy. Rolling went round and my closest competition the Peugeot 306 of Jason Newman took his chance to get the drop on me on the stright only to be met by a fish tailing Sierra Costworth round copse corner - I had no hesitation in re-claiming my place taking out the Sierra at the same time. The race went well picking up 4 places in the process.

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Sunday presented us with better weather back on went the slicks. I knew I would have to put in a better time then in DMN race to compete with my next closest rival Trevor Nicosia in the Renault clio cup. Jason Newman had bottom end failure meaning he was not in the running. Out we went for qualifying - clocking a time 1second faster then my previous best in the DMN race - excellent.

I qualified in front of the clio cup but Trevor let his experience show in the race taking his chance to push me tight out of Lydden and take me on the straight, I should have defended. However, this allowed what was the best race to date. The cars we evenly matched for speed 5 speed manual 2.0 16v versus 6 speed sequential, I could take Copse corner quicker and Brookland and Lydden, however the Clio could out brake the Tipo into Maggots and put the power down out of Lydden easier. Neck in Neck stuff, finally the clio succumbed to a brake failure leaving me to go round and finsih 3rd in class. Please see the video to see the action (posted with GC's permission)

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The engine sounds gorgeous.

That Escort was a bit rude.

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Car is back racing in the hands of my friend Trevor Nicosia. Now fitted with a 4.4:1 diff which makes in much quicker at accelerating but is running out of RPM - really needs a higher limit on it. New brakes fitted, might make a difference to stopping, but should definitely reduce the constant warping of discs.

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What's the rpm limit at the moment Rich and rpm at peak power?

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Hi Guy, since Phil never gave me a graph I cannot really be sure, I do know that after 7500 rpm the rate of acceleration is reduced enough to short shift with the 4.0:1 F/D it had before. But at silverstone 3 weeks ago it was on the limiter. I think he mapped it to 8300, but without being near the car I'm not sure. I would assume the standard manifold is causing the limitation higher up the RPM, but with your specification I know the car can rev higher, (I set 8000 rpm limit as thats the max the tach reads) but to up the limit would allow it to be just off the limiter probably everywhere with the exception of perhaps Snetterton.

If it was calibrated in its current form on 97RON pump fuel what do you think I could get away with as max rpm - considering the reason to be preventing hitting the limter on the straights at most circuits.

Previous data log on Stow straight Silverstone GP track shows 119mph using 4:1 FD, using 4.4:1 calculated max is 118 mph @ 8000rpm so the car is doing that speed now as it was on the 8k limiter @ Silvertsone national (using comparisons of the Silverstone national it is definetely faster with 4.4), if the rpm is raised to 8500 126mph will be the new max.
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8500 would be OK I guess if the fuelling up there is alright...

I think you've revved her higher than that once anyway?

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Only on a down shift, and on this engine I'm sure its no issue. I'll have a look at the RPM points when I can untill then it will have to bounce off the limiter.
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