'73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by miro-1980 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:55 am

Charles,

This is only for the brake in period ...

Also we want to test low RMP ( 3K-6K ) engine performance and before fitting 44's set it up for optimum fuel dosage.

As they say horsepower sells cars and torque wins rallies ... torque is the all important chracteristics of en engine .

I am more interested in having maximum (flat curve) torque (of at least 200 Nm from 3K to 7K RPM ) than 200 bhp at 9K.

The 131 engine Guy Croft build for me has these troque/bhp characteristics and has practically full torque from 3.2 K to 6.5 K , while max horsepower is at 6.8 K. This is what we want to achieve in 124, as well.

Rgds

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by Spider 1969 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:50 pm

Understood, I'm looking forward to your dyno results then!

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by Piotrek125p » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:43 pm

Miro, forgive me a little off-topic in your thread, but I think this is an interesting question.

GC, could you explain why you recommend to make an often checks and replacement of rod bearings ? In my opinion a 2L big end is really heavy loaded according to long stroke and this is the reason.

Thanks in advance for your detailed reply.
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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by miro-1980 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:40 pm

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As regards benefits of 85-95 % of full torque high torque available from 3K RPM up to 7K RPM.

I recently rallied in the Polish Rally Championship event - going 18% up hill and - believe it or not - I was able to shift up to 5th gear and accelerate effectively from 2.5 K RPM !!!!!!

If you ever really rallied - you understand what this means . If you never rallied - it would take too long to explain .... In any case this is fantastic !!!!!! ( Note my diff is 5.375).
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Thank you Guy, this is unbelievable !!!!

Rgds

Miro

PS: Can anybody help regarding rear turrets housing the shocks in a 124 Abarth rally ?
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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by Spider 1969 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:14 pm

Nice to see it going forward Miro! Can't help with the turrets.
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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by Guy Croft » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:54 pm

Hi Miro!

Was nice to talk to you the other day and best wishes to Vika!

Thank you for your kind comments! I am very pleased you like the engine I did so long ago. I often tell people how you arrived at GCRE in a yellow Warsaw taxi complete with driver - with the donor engine in the boot!! The day you told me about your amazing background in Polish Intelligence...

Now I have told you before:

That GC engine will explode soon if you don't pull it and check the rod bearings, poor Ian Nixon (Lada GC twincam - "badlyworntoy" here) blew his 190bhp TC to bits recently, even broke a Cunningham rod - please read the life schedules published in my 1995 book. It is long-overdue for a GC 'Top and Tail' overhaul. If you don't have that email me, you know where I am!

If you ignore my advice your wife will kill you and you will spend a fortune replacing the GC engine and do no rallying for 6 months. Last warning!

Be nice to see MY name on your car..... no engine - no rally, if you follow. Motul Oil is good but it doesn't power the car my friend,

salut!

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by miro-1980 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:23 am

Dear Guy ,

This engine is now officially retired from any rallying until proper maintenance/overhaul is performed .

Will look up your 1995 book list and ask you to verify /update any recommendations you might have.

I am very careful with this engine and do not take your warnings lightly.

I am also philosophically a strong proponent and devoted practitioner of preventive maintenance,

My wife might not kill me but would not fund any other engine , let alone a GC machine.

After the experience of flying a GC engine - prospects of having anything less than that is as dreadful as a nightmare of sleeping n a gorilla cage !

So no worries , we will never hurt this baby/beast !

Servus !

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by miro-1980 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:32 am

Guy,

The 131 was as I wrote last time officially retired from any rallies pending its first solid inspection and overhaul since it was build in 2006 and since the GD engine was installed in 2010.

I have not noticed any issues with the engine , but as you suggested : after 6 rally seasons running the GC engine it is the HIGHEST TIME.

I never had and engine which would last so long and gave me zero problems !!! But as you suggested firmly THE TIME IS NOW TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CONTINUE ENJOYING IT FOR THE SEASONS TO COME.

I also plan to pull out the engine and do the work you recommended in the coming week.

Before we start I ask for your guidance and instructions what to do, where to look for potential problems, what just to inspect, what to adjust, what and what to replace.

I have aces to industrial X-ray to do very reliable inspections, especially hidden cracks , internal material damage, faults, invisible material wear and tear, etc.

Please guide me though this process.

Rgds

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by Guy Croft » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:10 pm

Before you pull the motor - drive her up to temperature and do a compression test. Do it dry and then wet with a few squirts of oil in the cylinder before cranking. All the plugs out, fully hot engine wide open throttle.

Report results in the first instance please,

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by miro-1980 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:11 pm

Guy

Will do and report ASAP

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by Guy Croft » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:01 pm

any time this century will be fine!

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Re: '73 Fiat Abarth 124 Rally - project

Post by miro-1980 » Sat May 06, 2017 3:57 pm

A brief update since Iwas silent for such a long time

I have worked for a long time not only to have rally cars but also to have rallies to drive them.

For the last five years the project was on a low burner , but in December 2014 he got an initial OK from our ASN Main Sporting Commission and in 2016 it was finally approved. Thus we launched Polish Historic Rally Cup in 2915 and this year we already have Polish Historic Rally Championship.

Instead of writing about it I will just give you a link to our photo galleries on out web page

https://www.h-rsmp.pl/galeria_memorial_zoledowski
https://www.h-rsmp.pl/galeria_swidnicki_kos

and a link to our FB profile.

https://www.facebook.com/hrsmp.2017/

Please feel free to write us in English or German with any questions via FB message.
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