Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

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Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by badlyworntoy » Sun May 26, 2013 9:28 am

People

Does anybody know where the above can be purchased "Off the shelf" ?

I'm talking Wilwood, AP, Brembo etc, 4 pot 300mm or similar......you know what I mean.

I could and probably will end up making a set up from parts, but would like to save the time.

Any idea's ?

Nix

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by miro-1980 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:09 pm

Nix,

The bad news is NO - there is nothing off the shelf like this , but do you really need 300 mm discs ?

It sounds like a gr 4 project and an engine getting close to 200 bhp ?

I assume you are using 15 inch wheels as there is no way you can fit 300 discs and calipers into 13 or even 14 inch wheels.

If you can take something smaller and very effective contact: parts@midwest124.com. The WOA brakes conversion kit is a great street car solution. Also the man who runs midwest124.com can guide you with a view to something even stronger.

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by badlyworntoy » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:54 pm

Miro

I'd gathered that based on internet research.

The lada brakes are generally ok for fast road use but the trouble I've been having with them on track is where the problems with this antiquated system are clearly shown. They work ok for around 2 hard efforts then thats it, they're completly gone. This system is completly rebuilt using high quality german made Mastersport parts and the pads are their Keramik compound aswell which is a high friction pad supposedly designed for fast road/rally use,

I don't think its really down to the size of them although in my experience with brakes is the bigger the better, simple science as the more leaverage you have the more stopping power your going to have. I actually think the problem is the heat dissipation due to the Lada system using solid 10 inch discs, they simply just can't get rid of the heat quickly enough causing them to actually set alight. Its a bit of a shame because I think the calipers are quite good you've twin 45mm pistons and a large 50mm pad which is similar to that of the aftermarket alloy 4 pots.

Anyway Steve Hinson very kindly donated an alloy Compbrake 4 pot setup which came off his Montecarlo which originally ran with 265mm discs and 50mm pads. I've already done one side and made quite a success of the conversion, although I had to move upto 288 mm discs to get the clearence between the caliper and the hub to be able to fabricate a suitable bracket. I'm also running with 16 inch wheels so clearence is never going to be any problems.

Thanks for the advice

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by Urbancamo » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:34 am

And everyone reading this interesting topic; remember that Lada brakes were originally designed for a car wich has 60 bhp, goes 0-62 mph in 20 seconds and has a top speed around 87 mph. Everybody who has driven one of these know that no matter where the loud pedal is, speedometer still moves like hour pointer in clock...

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by Will01 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:46 am

Fantastic looking brakes, those calipers really do look like they will do the job properly.
Nice 2 piece discs aswell.
I looking at fitting some Brembo calipers off another vehicle onto the Capri.
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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by Honza » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:39 pm

what about a brembo caliper from Fiat coupe 20VT together with 281x26mm rotors from stilo abarth - this will porbably fit also under 15" whells and original 305x28mm rotor and these 4 pots suit to 16" or even over ATS DTC 15"...

here we can time-to-time purchase complete set of rotors+pads and calipers from scrapped Fiat coupe for very reasonable price...(around 200-300euro)
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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by Walezy » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:44 pm

You can fit BMW e38 brembo calipers and Fiat coupe discs for brembo calipers. all you have to do is to take the diameter of the disc from 305 to 295mm. it fits 15" wheels but not all of them. I have such setup in my Fiat 131. make sure to have for those calipers 1" master cylinder.
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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by timinator » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:17 pm

Hi Nix, There is 124 brake upgrade available. 260 mm vented rotor that can be used with 14 in wheels. Just need GC's approval to proceed.

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by mark allison » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:55 am

the kit that is pictured is my kit, available now.

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by Guy Croft » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:02 pm

Don't know why your kit is displayed without permission/attribution Mark..!

Perhaps the respected member can explain?

Let's see your kit 1st hand here if you like, or in links section?

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by timinator » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:24 pm

Hi GC, I thought I was asking for your permission.
timinator wrote:Hi Nix, There is 124 brake upgrade available. 260 mm vented rotor that can be used with 14 in wheels. Just need GC's approval to proceed.
I see that it wasn't the proper method of doing so. Please excuse my ignorance.

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by TomLouwrier » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:19 pm

Came across this only last weekend on your site, Mark.
A fine looking kit and using proper road-spec Fiat OEM calipers, which is good in my book. Congrats on getting it on the market.

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by badlyworntoy » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:33 pm

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions from various sources on this people but I've been working hard on this the last couple of weeks and have come up with my own solution.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread Fellow brother S.H donated an old Compbrake setup from his Beta Montecarlo, so this is what I've been working with. I've used the old Lada Caliper carriers and refabricated them into a suitable mount so the Compbrake Beta backets can be used for their original purpose.

I was told by the people at Compbrake that these B4 calipers have a tendancy to be a little noisey due to pad chatter, I may thefore yet upgrade to the B7 caliper which runs a 75mm pad and a spring loaded Cloverleaf pad reatainer. This is why I've left designed in extra clearence between the Bell and caliper.

Pads are American Hawk Pro race 4 which are a track pad which is designed for minimal road use.

Please feel free to carry on the discussion of this intresting topic regardless of what Im doing.

Nix
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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by mark allison » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:58 am

Here is the link to my kit;
http://allisonsautomotive.com/products.html

Scroll down the page to the Suspension section and the kit is described and pictured there.
We're using the 500 calipers, pads and rotors with a steel bracket to adapt it to the 124 Spider spindle. Calipers are available
in either red or black powder coat. The kit includes steel braided hoses, mounting hardware and instructions. I'll soon be listing
optional upgrades to EBC dimpled rotors and EBC disc pads. We have the upgrades available, I just haven't priced them yet.
Personally, I don't see a need for the upgrades for street use. The braking performance is improved so much with the base kit that I'd suggest the upgrades only for an all-out track car.

Guy, thanks for allowing the link!

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Re: Fiat 124/Lada High performance Brake kit?

Post by Guy Croft » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:20 am

Thanks Mark!

No worries Tim!

All friends here!

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